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Group: DynoMotion Message: 9934 From: Wcarrothers Yahoo Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Y axis
Hello

Using kmotion cnc for the first time really to run my new machine (other one I primarily run under Mach but didn't like the way this one ran under Mach).

Anyway kflop snap amps and brushless servos.

Some times I've noticed on rapid moves particularly when they are long (30-40inches). The machine does not decelerate to a nice stop but slams to a stop at the destination.

Wondering what i might have setup wrong. Think it mixes the rapid moves with out using the standard trajectory planner so wondering if I need to alter something so it does not stop as harshly

B
Group: DynoMotion Message: 9939 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: Re: Y axis
Hi Bill,

Rapid moves use the Velocity, Acceleration, and Jerk settings in KFLOP (ie Step Response Screen).  If you make such a big move from the KMotion Step Response Screen do you experience the same problem?

A common problem is to configure a velocity way too high for your system but never test it on long enough move to accelerate up to a too high of a speed.   If you then command a longer move the trajectory will exceed the velocity capability of the axis.  The axis will then fall way behind.  If you have small following error limits this will immediately fault and stop the axis.  But if you don't, then the axis will simply fall far behind the trajectory.  Eventually after the trajectory stops the axis will catch up and come to an abrupt uncontrolled stop.

Could this be what is occurring?

Regards
TK

Group: DynoMotion Message: 9940 From: Wcarrothers Yahoo Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: Re: Y axis
I'm sure I'm not still accelerating at the point where it decided to do this.  But the other thing perhaps I need to check.    On the same move will not always result in the same stop.  Most times so far it looks like it makes the correct slow to a stop. So got me thinking the angle setting for constant velocity moved (not sure that is the right name for it

B

On Aug 9, 2014, at 9:14 PM, "Tom Kerekes tk@... [DynoMotion]" <DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Rapid moves use the Velocity, Acceleration, and Jerk settings in KFLOP (ie Step Response Screen).  If you make such a big move from the KMotion Step Response Screen do you experience the same problem?

A common problem is to configure a velocity way too high for your system but never test it on long enough move to accelerate up to a too high of a speed.   If you then command a longer move the trajectory will exceed the velocity capability of the axis.  The axis will then fall way behind.  If you have small following error limits this will immediately fault and stop the axis.  But if you don't, then the axis will simply fall far behind the trajectory.  Eventually after the trajectory stops the axis will catch up and come to an abrupt uncontrolled stop.

Could this be what is occurring?

Regards
TK

Group: DynoMotion Message: 9942 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: Y axis
Hi Bill,

It wouldn't actually be an issue of still accelerating.  It is like trying to track someone in a car that can go 100MPH in a car that can only go 95MPH.  In town there is no problem.  But on a long stretch of road he would pull far away from you.  Eventually some time after he stops you will catch up to him and slam into him.  How gradually he comes to a stop will not matter because at that time you would be still racing full speed trying to catch up.

The first thing to check is your Max Following error.  You didn't post what it is.  If set to a small value then this is not the issue or there would simply be a following error fault when the axis begins to fall behind the trajectory.

G0 Rapids always come to a full stop after each segment so I don't see how the Trajectory Planner setting could cause an unusual stop.

The best diagnostic approach for something like this is to capture motion data to a file and then plot it out to see exactly what happened.

HTH
Regards
TK

 

Group: DynoMotion Message: 9943 From: Wcarrothers Yahoo Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: Y axis
I will start into looking at it next week.  I will post my follow error

Not sure i can produce the symptom in a plot seeing it has to move a long way before this will do it.  

The setup does have a very high jerk number.  I have it that way seeing that is how it is set when tuning.  If it should be dialed back for normal operation I can do that just never did it for either machines.  The other machine is an analog one so probably don't see it there seeing the secondary control involved.  Other wise it is working really wellb

On Aug 10, 2014, at 11:48 AM, "Tom Kerekes tk@... [DynoMotion]" <DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

It wouldn't actually be an issue of still accelerating.  It is like trying to track someone in a car that can go 100MPH in a car that can only go 95MPH.  In town there is no problem.  But on a long stretch of road he would pull far away from you.  Eventually some time after he stops you will catch up to him and slam into him.  How gradually he comes to a stop will not matter because at that time you would be still racing full speed trying to catch up.

The first thing to check is your Max Following error.  You didn't post what it is.  If set to a small value then this is not the issue or there would simply be a following error fault when the axis begins to fall behind the trajectory.

G0 Rapids always come to a full stop after each segment so I don't see how the Trajectory Planner setting could cause an unusual stop.

The best diagnostic approach for something like this is to capture motion data to a file and then plot it out to see exactly what happened.

HTH
Regards
TK